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administrator peter, what's from biggest concern? how she's getting more women on the front lines of disaster relief. >> if you need help, reach out, via administrators diane, chris well ahead. >> hello, i'm dana bash and washington where the state of our union wishing all the moms out there, a happy mother's day. this coming week, we could see the final stages of donald trump's hush money trial and in neighboring new jersey, trump vented his anger late saturday afternoon ahead of expected testimony from the star witness in the case, former trump fixer, michael cohen on the west coast president joe biden is looking to capitalize on his opponents predicament, calling trump, quote clearly unhinged during a closed-door fundraiser but biden faces growing political problems of his own after his stark new ultimatum this week to israel in an interview on cnn vowing to block some us

military aid to israel if it invades the gazan city of rafah, israel seems undeterred, ordering 300,000 gazans out of rafah. it all leaves biden with strain support among democrats and a middle ground that seems to have left no one happy something trump tried to seize on his rally crooked joe's action is one of the worst betrayals of an american ally and a history of our country i support israel's right to win its war on terror. >> i said, okay i don't know i don't know if that's good or bad politically. i don't care you gotta do what's right? here with me now is potential trump vice presidential pick, republican senator jd vance of ohio. he's going to be joining former president trump at an event in cincinnati this week on wednesday. thank you so much for being here. it's nice to see you in person. i want to start with the mideast and president biden announcing on

wednesday that he would block some shipments of us weapons if israel invades rafah. he's frustrated after months of telling the israeli prime minister to be more targeted. he doesn't think that netanyahu is changing course and the president believes that too many civilians have been killed with us. weapons is that a fair concern? >> well, first all dana, let me say happy mother's day. thanks to you and all the mom's watching, but to answer your question, i think there are two big problems. what the vitamins duration is doing. first of all, it's a fundamentally incoherent policy on the one hand, they're saying to many palestinian civilians have been killed with the other hand, there are depriving is the israelis of the precision guided weapons that actually cut down on civilian casualties. so if you're worried about palestinian casualties, these stated policy here actually doesn't make a ton of sense. i think the bigger problem here, if we zoom out is look at, i hate to say this, but america is not good. good at micro-managing wars in the middle east. joe biden has been president for four years,

but he's really presided over as a senator and vice president. many of the biggest disasters we've had in foreign policy in the middle east over the last 40 years. and i think that our attitude vis-a-vis the israeli should be look, we're not good at pecker managing middle eastern wars. the israelis, our allies, let them prosecutors war the way they see the argument that president biden has made we understand and private and he's done it in public. is that he is trying to get the israeli prime minister to learn the lessons of wars in the by the way, it was a republican who president george w the way that the us responded in afghanistan. and of course, the war in iraq to learn the lessons and he doesn't believe that the prime minister is doing so first of all, i completely concede, by the way, it wasn't republican president in iraq though with democratic buy-in from people like joe biden. >> but i think to learn the lessons, not just iraq, it's afghanistan of multiple conflicts. look, we've not been

good at this and that's been a bipartisan failure by the way, it's one of the reasons here's why i think donald trump was a good foreign policy president. he departed from that wisdom. but to answer your question, dana, who looked at the fundamental problem here, is the israelis have a goal in mind. hamas started a war by murdering a large number of israeli civilians. and now that they're 80% defeated, they're throwing up their hands and saying, uncle now, yeah, palestinian civilian casualties is a real issue and our heart certainly goes out to them. we have to ask ourselves, why are palestinian civilian casualties so high? it's because hamas started the war and now they hide behind palestinian civilians. so if you want to learn the lessons, i think of the last 40 years, the most important thing is we have to defeat hamas as a viable a military organization. you're never going to defeat the ideology of hamas, but you can root out those commanders, those final military trained battalions. and i think we should empower the israelis to do it, that the final point here, dana, it's very important. >> our goal in the middle east should be to allow the israelis to get to some good place with

a saudi arabia dns and other golf arab states. >> there is no way that we can do that unless the israelis finished the job with a moss, if they can't even do that, the attitude of the middle east will be, you can't trust these guys. they're not pursuing their own national security. so we've got to let them finish this job, but i think hopefully on the other end of it, get two new era in the middle east i want to ask about something that donald trump said in on social media. he said, what biden is doing with respect to israel as disgraceful if any jewish person voted for joe biden, they should be ashamed of themselves. he's totally abandoned israel. you tweeted that donald trump was right about that. so i just wanted to be clear. do you think that jewish people who voted for joe biden should be ashamed of themselves for what i think dana is that people should look at the record here and recognize that donald trump has actually been really good for the state of israel. we had peace and prosperity and our country, and we had a very stalwart ally of the israelis. now, joe biden as president,

the israelis had been attacked fact you've got these terrible campus protests with a lot of anti-semitic overtones all over our country. and you also have him trying to micromanage the israeli response to them being attacked. do i think it's reasonable to look at this and say that if you're a jewish american who cares about the state of israel, who cares about these anti-semitic riots? and say, you should be on the side of republicans in 2024 because they govern effectively on some of the issues that you care about. i think it's a totally reasonable argument to make, and i think that donald trump's going to keep on making it historically the notion of saying to jews, you should put israel first and what happens in israel first, and not consider them american citizens first has been used as an anti-semitic trope do, you do recognize that there and perhaps that language isn't exactly on point when you're talking about something that is very, very sick.

>> a tinderbox right now, we have to remember, donald trump is very direct here. and he said he was right and he hasn't singled out jewish americans. he singled out a lot of people for voting for joe biden and suggesting they've got to wake up and elect him as president in 2024. so i don't think there's any effort to single out jewish americans and just on that particular question about tropes, i mean, look, we know that jewish americans and non-jewish americans care about our ally, israel. we know that jewish americans and non-jewish americans care a lot about these ridiculous protests. i actually have a friend of mine whose brother was graduating from columbia, who had the graduation ceremony cancel. and that's a non-jewish person who cares a lot about these anti-semitic protests. so i think the fact that donald trump is talking about jews in that particular context does not mean he doesn't think the same lessons apply to a whole host american citizens. >> yeah, because he did say that any jewish person who voted for joe biden should be ashamed of themselves. i want to move on. he made similar comments about a lot of different groups of people. dana i don't think anybody could look at the presidency in the conduct of donald trump and

say, this is a person who's somehow anti-semitic. >> and i think whether you're jewish or not, you should be looking at the record of joe biden enter with nick fuentes, who is an avowed and dana, you should look at the record of joe biden and recognize that whether you're jewish are not, his presidency has been a disaster for the american. i want to ask about he saw this past week and it's going to continue this week. the trial in new york adult film actress stormy daniels testified about her allegation of a sexual encounter with donald trump. now, actor, the access hollywood tape in 2016, you tweeted, quote, fellow christians, everyone is watching us when we apologize for this man, lord help us now since deleted that tweet, do you still feel that way about donald trump's sexual industry indiscretions? >> well, first of all, delts rope is not on trial for sexual indiscretions. this is a sham trial where they're saying his misdeeds is violated the law that he committed a crime you can't throw somebody in prison

in the middle of a presidential election because you think that he did something bad ten years ago. so i think we have to separate these arguments from the actual criminal trial. that's attempting to in my view, dana interfere in a presidential election but look, my view on donald trump had been very clear on this is look, i was wrong about him. i didn't think he was going to be good president data, and i was very, very proud to be proven wrong. it's one of the reasons why i'm working so hard to get them elected. i think the contrast here is really from joe biden, who delivered chaos in the world stage rising cost of living here at home to donald trump, who delivered peace and prosperity to the american people and to the world. that's a very, very simple contrast to make. and i think republicans just have to hammer that message home because we've got the winning horse here and we've got the winning message. and i just want to be clear, the the notion of what you're right that he's not on trial for alleged sexual indiscretions. it's something else but do you think that he should be treated differently

because he was a former president because he is running for president. >> and if he's convicted do you still support him? >> well, i don't think you should be treated differently at all, dana, but i certainly think he is being treated differently. the only thing that alvin bragg, the new york prosecutors team, thinks donald trump did wrong is that he ran for president in 2024, and it looks to be on the cusp of victory that is the only thing that this is ultimately about. if you look at the underlying argument of the case, they can't even identify what it is that donald trump did. they said he committed a paperwork violation in the service of a crime, but they won't even specify the crime that he allegedly committed. and i think that when you look at all of these attacks on donald trump, you have to, you have to be honest with yourself and say, this is not a about law and this is not about justice, this is about the fact that president joe biden has a failed record as commander in chief and leader in this country. and the democrats can't talk about that. so what they're doing is putting these trials out there and saying focus on this, not on the fact that the world is on fire, and

the fact that you have gotten poor under the presidency of joe biden? yeah. >> a lot of things to unpack there. we're almost out of time. i just want to look forward 2024. this election that election year that we're in, will you commit to accepting the results of this year's election? >> look, dana, i totally plan to accept the results of 2024. i think that donald trump will be the victory three. and if it's a free and fair election, dana, i think every republican will enthusiastically accept the results. and again, i think those results will show that donald trump has been elected president, didn't reelected president. >> i think this question though, it's interesting to because we have to be willing as democrats did in 2000 as democrats have done in the past. >> and certainly as republicans did in 2020 is if you think they were problems, you have to be willing to pursue those problems and tried to prosecute the case and certainly, if we have a free and fair election, i'll accept the results even if joe biden wins sure. if it's a free and fair election, i will accept the results of

standard whoever wins. >> okay. >> senator, thank you so much. thanks appreciate you. come in coming up. >> did president biden's very public shipped on israel in an interview? with our own erin burnett make the issue even harder for him politically senator chris murphy is here live plus a headache in the 2024 campaign. how rfk jr. is causing one. >> i've just for joe biden, but james donald trump, our panel will weigh in moscow, pistorius was at the absolute peak of his celebrity in olympic heroes, shotgun murder trial we learned of docker individual power would really happen with jesse l. >> martin tonight get nine on said, hey, you seeing this was the one you're telling me. you can get directtv law good stuff and you don't need a satellite dish i used to love doing my business on those things. yeah,

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comes to israel. >> but this week he put conditions on us aid to israel for the first time is the isolating himself from both sides of the middle east debate. here with me now to discuss that that is senator chris murphy, a member of the foreign relations committee and a critic of the way israel has been carrying out its war in gaza. thank you so much for being here. do you support what president biden told erin burnett that he is blocking some military aid to israel and won't support them will block more if in fact israel goes into rafah more aggressively. >> i do support president biden's decision and let me tell you why president biden is learning the mistakes us military campaigns in iraq and afghanistan, what we learned in both of those efforts was that you cannot defeat a terrorist ideology. you cannot defeat you a terrorist movement with military force alone and afghanistan, we spent 20 years there. and ultimately we were so cavalier about civilian casualties that we made the taliban stronger. and we

ultimately lost that engagement to the taliban. and so in israel, what joe biden is telling the israelis is we will be partners with a few but you have to understand that the pace of civilian casualties, the amount of humanitarian disaster there is in the long-run, going to make hamas stronger, is going to make it more likely that israel will be attacked again and is going to make other terrorist organizations that have designed to attack the united states stronger. so we will be partners in this fight, but in the situation of rafah, we cannot have a military invasion of rafah that ends up in tens of thousands of additional civilians dying. that would be bad for israel from a moral and a strategic standpoint. so the counter argument that is not just coming from republicans, but also some democrats, your fellow democrat from pennsylvania, john fetterman. >> it and he actually said withholding, withholding military aid, quote, demonstrates to hamas that they're winning the pr war. and there are exploiting america has compassion so does

he have a point there that what the president said is actually come doing the opposite of what you just warned of. and it actually is helping hamas so we have no obligation to write a blank check of military support to any of our allies. >> we have a right as a sovereign nation with our own independent security concerns to make sure that when we are partnering with an ally, that we are partnering with a winning strategy our own national security experts tell us that this is a generation, this, this moment, let a generational impact on the growth of terrorism around the globe. i want hamas it's gone. i don't want them to ever have the ability to hit israel again, i worry that the number of civilians that are dying are ultimately going to provide permanent recruiting material to hamas and hamas will remain a threat for years to come to israel the reality though is that hamas is still not just a military wing in gaza they,

they are the governing body in gaza and i guess my question is on that if you were president or fewer, completely directing the war, even in israel, how would you eliminate hamas? >> in a way that's different and more effective than what you're describing because the understatement of the year is it an easy well, let's let's just make sure that we understand there's limit to american influence on israeli politics. but what do you think israel should be doing? >> so i didn't think israel should be open to bringing in the palestinian authority to be a transition governance structure inside got it. how does that eliminate hamas? that is something that will listen. i think every intelligence expert has already come to the conclusion, you are not going to be able to eliminate hamas, right? you are there is going to continue to be a resistance movement to the state of

israel. and the question is, is it going to be weaker or stronger after 13, 15,000 kids are killed inside gaza. my argument is that right now the prospects are that it is going to be stronger. and so if israel makes a more concrete commitment to a future palestinian state, i think right now, or within the next several months, i think that is one of the most important things it can do to try to dry up the recruitment material that right now is very live for hamas or follow-on organizations to hamas. and that's one of the things that worries me is that we do not see that commitment being made, which i think is essential for the survival of jewish state in the middle east, something that i, democrats and republicans are deeply desirous of at the state department released a report late on friday that said, quote it was quote, reasonable to assess that us weapons have been used by israeli forces in ways, quote inconsistent with international law but the report stopped short of reaching an actual conclusion on whether israel

has violated humanitarian law. >> i know you've been pushing for this report for months. are you satisfied? >> i listened. i think the report could have gone further, but it does. i think accurately explain the complexity of this war, and let's just also be clear about that. yes, i believe that there have been some very disastrous decisions on proportionality made by the israeli military if there's one hamas fighter in an apartment building, it is not worth it to kill 50 innocent civilians. but it is also true as my friend center vance said that hamas is hiding itself inside, so it's going to be my next question. yes. inside civilian populations, they are hiding themselves in hospitals in died schools. there's no doubt that this war could end tomorrow if hamas surrendered, if hamas really cares about the people of gaza, they could decide to end this war, right now, there's a ceasefire proposal on the table that they could accept. so i i am certainly

willing to call it israeli when i think that they have made strategic and moral mistakes in this this war. but a lot of the focus here tends to be on israel when we should be calling out hamas for the attacks that began this war. the way in which they had violated the rules of engagement and the fact that the quickest route to end this war is for hamas to surrender and protect the people of gaza just on the rob politics of this. >> do you think that when the president said what he said to erin burnett this week that what ended up happening is he tried to i don't want to take away from what he tried to do on policy, but just on the politics that it ended up kind of pleasing. >> no one has that a potential problem, or do you think that is what he said and did is helpful for his detractors on the left, less night. >> i think the president makes decisions when it comes to the security of this country based upon what he thinks is going to put the reality as it's been hurting him on the left but i

don't i don't i don't mind the fact that the president isn't paying attention to the politics. >> i think frankly, when you're being a good leader, who you are often upsetting people on the right and the left. and so president biden advertise himself when he ran for office as someone who would often play it down the middle, who would not pay attention to the extremes of the debate and would just do what he thought was right for the country and what the broad middle of the country wants. and i actually think that's where the broad middle of the country is. i think the broad middle of the country wants to support israel's ability to destroy hamas, but is very concerned about the fact that there are so many kids dying that for the last week, there's been no humanitarian assistance getting into the country. i think the president really is squarely where the middle of this country is on this on this conflict. >> and i guess part of the problem at a time is that humanitarian assistance some of it they got in was taken by hamas away from its own people. that's right, center. thank

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state of the union that was former president donald trump going after independent presidential candidate robert robert f kennedy jr. my panel is here now. >> i mean scott jennings, the idea that he didn't just send out something britain. he sat in front of a camera and said to camera what he just said. i mean it's an item in a tell it's like a megaphone saying he's concerned. >> yeah. well, he mentioned he mentioned that he's not a conservative and i think the trump people are thinking it's going to be easy to recover some of those folks who currently tell pollsters are with rfk because he has been a fringe liberal lunatic for most of his life and there's an audience in american politics, maybe small, but there's an audience who believes there's a conspiracy for everything. i mean, the know, there are people out there who believed that the stop sign in their neighborhood was put there by the rothschild to getty's and colonel sanders i mean, that's the group and he needs to recover those people and they're easy to get when you consider what rf okay. it said

during the course of his career, this an easy thing for them to do, to close that door welcome former senator scott brown. >> tell me about your friends with rfk jr. tell me about his intriguing to you to be his running mate. >> well, he asked me to be his vice president. certainly it's something i considered. i think respectfully, scott, i think he's smart, intelligent, obviously, has very passionate. you may not agree with them, but he believes why do you say no? it's not it's not we have so many differences and i'm a republican, but i wished him well, certainly that being said does a reason why trump and biden are going after him, biden behind the scenes, trying to challenge the ballot access. he's going to have ballot access is the first question i asked him. are going to have ballot access is absolutely he's in michigan, california, michigan in the last election is 11,000 votes. okay separated them. he's going to get way more than 11,000 votes. if you're a republican, do you think he's going to play spoiler? >> i think it's hard. that's

the question. does your depends on the state. i think in michigan and hurts biden quite honestly. and i think it helps trump and other states that may be a little bit different, but he's going to get more than 11,000 votes. so he's going to play, he's pulling it 12%, and he's probably going to be on the debate stage can i just say as you come in, that i was talking to somebody who's working on the democratic side and tried to stop rfk jr. and the question i had was if trump is worried, where are you so worried? >> and the answer was, we just we don't know how this is going to play out and i just wanted to find him and we want to try to pull votes away no matter where they're comes. sure. 100%. so earlier this week, i mean, the story about the brain worms was, was very disconcerting, not just because of what he said about how it impacted this cognitive abilities, which as someone who has had brain surgery, that is a very serious question than americans should get answers to if they're going to make him

think they're going to vote for him for president. but the fact that it's answers shifted three or four times throughout the week, how it showed that they're not ready for prime time. it is not unreasonable to ask that question and then secondarily, he admitted in interviews this week that he said, yeah, joe biden can't win if i'm in the race. so his motivations are quite clear and he is pandering to that part of the base that he thinks he's getting or the trunk? basically, he thinks he's getting also said this week, he'd consider pardoning january 6, rioters so again, he's this was craven politics trying to play for both sides. and i think the trump campaign is realizing what we realize quite some time ago. it's unclear. he's probably going to pull from both. >> he doesn't also have a strategy to actually get to two 70. so he may get more than 11,000 votes. and michigan, but just winning michigan is not enough to actually win the presidency. you have to have ballot access on enough, in

enough states to actually get to two 70. and so the question is if you're a candidate and you're running and you can't get to two 70 then what are you you are a spoiler alert because you literally can't win the presidency. the other reason why both sides are paying attention to him is because he's inconsistent on his issues so one day he's feeling this way about abortion and the next day feeling that way. and so an immediate cycle where sometimes it's hard for voters to track all the issues. if you hear one at about them when on one day, you may say this is my guy hi, but actually, what if you got into office? he would do something totally different first of all he's going to get on more than just one state. >> and obviously it will go house of if neither any of the candidates get to the two 70. but people don't like trump or biden in there looking for an alternative and he comes across as authentic can take as vibrant and you may not agree with them, but he sees an alternative to how you run a campaign grabbed anything i say it doesn't matter. >> he's gonna he's gonna got

substantial amount of votes. i'm not i'm not disputing that. the question is about the trump campaign strategy here he is. trump can easily knock this down. i'm less certain that biden can knock it down. i mean, one of the things rfk did this week was go out and take a extremist position on abortion and i don't sure biden can go out and refute that. but trump can go out and refute some of the things rfk is doing. and so i think it just simply easy for trump to get his people back easier than it will be for biden quick on abortion. >> biden can absolutely extreme his positions on of course, he's going to take a moderate position on abortion. >> no, i said he can easily refute an extremist position on abortion. >> what rfk said was extremist or okay, we use that. >> i'm using your words. >> i'm asking you what you think you're a democrat. what do you think? i think it is inconsistent and that concerns me deeply because this is this is an issue for women in this country right now, where either you understand that a woman needs to be able to make that decision, or you think government should.

>> and there's no waffling on that. >> what he's saying i've had both thing both things i think what joe biden able to do is actually take the position that the majority of americans, both democrats and republicans believe on the issue of abortion. and then the last two election cycles, 22 and 23, we've seen that to be true and they've been aligned with the democrats on that listen, we in new hampshire, we did it right. we all work together. it's something that i think should be left to the states. and, in new hampshire, we have it right? >> before we go we're going to make a hard term, but an important turn. >> i know you wanted to talk about something that is coming up that is near and dear to your heart and something we covered on the show a lot so brittney griner is book coming home. it was is out this week and she details beautifully, horribly the conditions under which she was held in russia gives a real viewpoint into what russia under putin the

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ripped through these rural oklahoma communities. well, i'm so sorry that you're going through those. >> it's only grocery store now, county bro store in our city. >> wow. >> then we wanted to build its 20% of re we traveled with femur administrator deep and chris well, to survey the damage from multiple tornadoes and marietta and sulphur, oklahoma, talking to local officials nice to see you to help assess their needs. >> do you have any questions for me? >> all right. now, yeah, i'm sure i will i get it. it's a lot right now before chris well, only men ran fhima. you are the 12th female administrator. >> first woman, and the role how does that impact the way that you do your job you know, when i first was asked to come in and do this job, i didn't really think about it, but i like to go back and reflect on the first week that i was here and one of my younger female

employees had come up to me after meeting and she said a year ago, there were zero women in my chain of command between me and the president of the united states now, there are more women in emergency management at all levels. so just quickly like what's her biggest concern in oklahoma at chris wells first meeting with state leaders about the tornadoes women were in charge. >> will they be able to go to school or so much impact that they're not gonna be able to go to sweat to be able to so that means that there's children won't have food, correct? i know is i was coming up in my career was always a balance between demonstrating your confidence in your competence with. being called the b word, right? >> where do you call that? >> many times. >> do your face? yes. >> yes. >> and would you say i just pushed forward with this is why i'm doing this. this is why i need to be here. i go back a lot to even how i got started. >> she got started as a

firefighter. >> i had actually had somebody we've talked me into joining the military and joining the air national guard because i wanted to go back to college and i didn't really have a means i was about to become a single mother at the time. they said that they had bomb loading and firefighting and so i went and i interviewed with both then the bomb loaders looked really bored. the firefighters were having a lot of fun and i said, i'll give that a shot. >> she was only the sixth woman firefighter in aurora, colorado how old are your kids so i was 25 when i joined and so my kids were there were three and five so that must have been hard, just like it is for a single mom doing lots of different jobs? >> yes. >> it's a balance right after nine 11, chris well, deployed with the colorado air national guard to kuwait and qatar. we do have this first case of coronavirus. she later managed new york's city's emergency response there during the darkest days of the covid pandemic.

>> nice to see you in person. sorry, it's under these circumstances. well we appreciate your comment. her work then n now transcends politics and party when there's a disaster and there's people in need, we're all, we're all americans. >> and that's the administrators attitude. these are federal agencies that we have to work with regardless of who's in the white house. >> this kind of a partnership, this is absolutely critical to me i'm sure we bring the right people into these communities to help with their specific needs. >> look at that. this is, this is the building where they had the one loss of life actually looking at this hard to imagine that anybody survived its america i know she talks to locals trying to clean up and cope and screaming those tornado everyone inside. i was screaming jackson please come in and avoid use going far the

law the hardest thing i've ever had to do was shut that door and what as fhima director do you learn when you come to a place like this? >> that you can't learn on, zoom, on a phone call with your deputies who are here on the ground. >> you can feel that emotion you hans feel the heartache. >> why is that so important? >> because it helps me get rid of the red team that helps me break down bureaucracy in order to ensure that it's more than numbers. >> it's people eliminating red tape at fhima has been a top goal for chris. well, earlier this year, she succeeded in pushing through the biggest overhaul of the agency's relief programs in two decades, streamlining the process to get help to disaster victims and more money to survive evers faster. and i wanted us to really understand what it meant

to put people first. this job keeps her constantly on the road, but her other job a grandmother and mother of two sons, keeps her centered. >> i deployed right after the nine, 11 attacks my orders said for an undetermined amount of time, i always wondered how much that was going to impact them. i remember i brought them with me to my confirmation hearing when they were with me that day. and you can see how proud they were and how successful they have both become. it really just gave me a really warm feeling as a mother are thanks to administrator chris. >> well and happy mother's day to her, as well as all the mothers here at state of the union are excellent executive producer. rachael stripe felt producers i see you macnamara, kristie johnson, melissa gmo, plus ruby williams, and angelica flores, to my own mother. fancy. i love you so much. mom. and of course to all the mothers out there watching at home up next remembering a

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